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Home My WebLink About1986-11-11AGENDA CITY OF GPMEVINE 9PECIAL WDITSHOP OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION TUESDAY, NOVEMBER 11, 1986, AT 7:00 P.M. CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS - 413 MAIN STREET GRAPEVINE, TEXAS A. Planning and Zoning Commission to consider amending Section 51.E of the Comprehensive Zoning Ordinance relative to paynent of cash-in-lieu--of reservation of open space or park and recreational areas. B. Planning and Zoning Commission to consider amending Section 60 of the Comprehensive Zoning Ordinance relative to Sign Standards. IV. MISCELLANEOUS REPORTS AND/OR DISCUSSION V. ADJOUIUZ= IN ACCORDANCE WITH ARTICLE 6252-17, V.A.T.C.S., AS AMENDED BY CRAPTER 227, ACTS • THE 61ST LEGISLATURE, REGULAR SESSION, THE SPECIAL WORKSHOP OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING MEETING AGENDA WAS PREPARED AND POSTED ON THE 7TH DAY OF NOVEMBER, 1986 AT 5:00 P.M. VA1.1 The Planning and Zoning Commission of the City of Grapevine, Texas, met in a Special Workshop Session at approximately 7:00 P.M., on Tuesday, Noven-ber 11, 1986 in the City Council Chambers, 413 Main Street, with the following persons present, to wit: Richard Atkins Chairman Ron Cook Vice-Chairman Ervin Meyer Member Gil Traverse Member Larry Atchley Member Peggy Enghohu Member constituting a quormn, with member Catherine Martin absent, and the following City Staff, to wit: H.T. (Tamly Hardy) Marcy Ratcliff Joy Carroll Sue Martinez Adrienne Leonard Director of Community Develolzment. Planning Technician Administrative Assistant Secretary Attorney, City Attorney's Office The invocation was delivered by Gil Traverse. LOW= Kul OR PARK AND RECREATIONAL AREAS There was discussion of amending the recommended language proposed by the City Attorney's office, to read as follows: Said payment shall be made in the form of a cashier's check or other cash equivalent including an irrevocable letter of credit on a form approved by the City Attorney and with a bank or financial institution acceptable to the City... Following a brief period of discussion, a motion was made by Vice-Chairman Cook to reccumend adoption of this amendment of Section 51.E of the Comprehensive Zoning Ordinance and Ervin Meyer seconded the motion, which prevailed as follows: Ayes: Atkins, Cook, Meyer, Traverse and Atchley Nays: None Absent: Engholm and Martin Commissioner Engholm's presence was acknowledged at approximately 7:35 P.M. CONSIDERATION OF AMENDING SECTION 60 OF THE COMPREHENSIVE ZONING ORDINANCE RELATIVE TO SIGN STANDARDS The Commission was supplied with a letter from the Legislative Affairs Committee, with attachments for discussion. Discussion commenced with attachment "A", and the items listed on it as follows: Item 1. Discussion of this item was relative to a formula that the Legislative Affairs Committee got from a recommended sign ordinance, designed to tie the frontages of lots in with the maximum height requirements for pole signs to determine sign size, within the different street classifications. Mr. Dilg noted that the zoning districts had been taken into account in their discussions of this formula. Special ►&Z Minut- • •- , 986 Page 2 Then the Commission discussed the section of Northwest Highway between Safeway and Skaggs Shopping Center, that has the appearance of Main Street because of how close together the lots are, and how pole signs would be regulated in this area. Chairman Atkins discussed Exhibit 1, Recommended Pole Sign Specifications and having them collate with the Thoroughfare Plan, relative to which city streets are classified as standard, highway, or freeway. Following the discussion, Chairman Atkins summarized that the formula makes a continual square footage allowance to the face of the sign, imposing maximum height, minimum clearances, and maximum widths, which can be worked within the parameters of the square footage allowed within the zoning districts. Item 2. It was discussed to establish a wind load factor of 25 pounds per square foot for the sign and structure, which is a standard amount within the Dallas area. Item 3. It was discussed to drop any reference to amortization within the sign ordinance. Mr. Dilg stated that it was not necessary to specify the size of the pole, noting that some businesses would be using smaller signs. Therefore, it was recommended that the pole support meet the engineering requirements as stated in Item 2. Item 5. In discussion of the color specifications, it was suggested that there should not be regulations on the color of the sign, but the color should be complimentary to the color of the building. Item 6. Discussion of the wall sign dimensions was to have the same factors applied to these as applied to pole signs, with the use of building frontage instead of street frontages within the zoning districts. It was discussed to possibly make some exceptions within the CBD District for historical purposes. Item 7. It was noted that this item, provisions to acccm-nodate situations where more than one business is operating on a single platted site, is covered in Item 1. ITUNS It was discussed that the sign materials are to meet the engineering requirements of 25 pounds per square foot as described in Item 2. It was noted that these specifications are for pole and monument signs. Item 9. It was discussed to specify that signs with changeable copy are to have a minimum of 9 feet ground clearance and engineering requirements to withstand 25 pounds per square foot of wind load factor. Special P&Z Minutes November 11, 1986 Page 3 There was lengthy discussion of off - premise signs, concerning methods to change the ordinance to allow them, and not leave the ordinance open to allowing billboard signs, which is an undesired type of sign in the City. It was noted by the Commission that this particular type of signage was difficult to regulate. They recognize the need for off-premise signs, but have not yet established a way to allow them for all uses, without creating discriminatory situations. Item 11. Discussion of this item was of the time period that banners can be displayed. There was some concern of the two week period creating a situation where, within a retail strip shopping center, there would be more than one business displaying banners, creating an eyesore. Then it was suggested to have this item reworded so that the two weeks would not be back-to-back within the quarter. Mr. Strong of the Chamber suggested that the City could put out a newsletter concerning banners to let business owners know when the holiday season is drawing near and for them to get with the City to find out what needs to be done prior to putting up the banners. Item 12. It was suggested that the City provide a current listing of fees as part of the ordinance. Mr. Hardy noted that this type of listing could not be included as a permanent part of the ordinance, because the fees are subject to change. The Chamber suggested that the City consider putting ordinances such as the sign ordinance in some form of packaging, with an introduction and facts about the city. Mr. Hardy noted that the City is coming out with a booklet form of the Zoning Ordinance that will be very informational. MISCELLANEOUS DISCUSSION There was discussion by the Staff relative to having the Master Plan text to the Planning and Zoning Commission. They will have a memo noting how they reworded it. The Staff noted that they tried to put the goals and objectives together to make it more understandable. Chairman Atkins asked Mr. Hardy to generate a mew to the Planning and Zoning Commission to let them know what the role of the Commission is relative to the Thoroughfare Plan. There was discussion amongst the Commission concerning the City Council pre-meeting meetings and the Commission's participation. Special P&Z Minutes November 11, 1986 Page 4 FLUNTA711-KiT, N I N- NO 9 There being no further business to consider, a motion was made by Gil Traverse to adjourn the evening's meeting and Larry Atchley seconded the motion, which prevailed as follows: Ayes: Atkins, Cook, Meyer, Traverse, Atchley and Engholm. Nays: None Absent: Martin PASSED AND APPROVED BY TBE PLANNIN AND ZIIG�COYMISI MON OF THP CITY OF GRAPEVINE, TEXAS, ON THIS THE 7 4b-WI DAY OF 1986. airman ecre